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Old 06-27-2008, 11:45 AM   #1
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Default Please read important!!! GTR slowing down 0-60 and 1/4 mile times

This info is coming form the new car and driver America vs the world. I know the GTR won but please read on.

Im getting really worried about two major car mags ( car and driver and road and track) not being able to produce the 0-60 times and the 1/4 mile times that they previously produced with the GTR! Why is this happening. Supposedly the car could consistently produce 0-60 times of 3.5 sec and 1/4 mile times of 11.6. Were previous preproduction models modified to get better stats??? Don't tell me they cant do launch control...They were able to do it previously and they are professional drivers.
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Old 06-27-2008, 12:32 PM   #2
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all I can say is that Car & Driver is junk. I have it just for entertainment only.
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Old 06-27-2008, 12:37 PM   #3
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Could be they chose NOT to use LC. Also, those journalists' cars have had the living shit beat out of them by every Tom Dick and Harry, so it wouldn't suprize me a bit it they were less than optimal after 1000's of miles of thrashing.
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i think its more to do with 91oct gas. I bet the gtr had crappy CA 91 and the GTR pulled timing like crazy. no LC should yield sub 4 sec 60
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ok i agree car and driver is junk but why did they produce better results previously and why did road and track produce better results previously???
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temperature, land altitude, gas they use, or just suck driver.
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Old 06-27-2008, 10:51 PM   #7
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ok, im gonna be the pessimist, but why did the other cars perform as usual there times were consistent with other tests??? (im really upset and worried) Why is it that the GTR is performing poorly twice in a row by two different car mags??? It has to be more than those factors...(Im not trying to annoy anyone) Please really consider what im saying
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I agree with you elpaso.

I also posted about this in the other forum. Something is not quite adding up. Is it a hurt car, bad driver, bad gas, bad conditions or acutally the truth. If so Nissan will have alot of GTR's sitting on the lots because the advertised and hyped up times, power are not coming true. I am sure that once these cars get to owners the truth will come out.

This car is supposed to be so easy to drive then so should these times that were first reported be easy to achieve
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Thank you. because to tell you the truth if september rolls around and more and more results come out with substandard (in my opinion) times. Im gonna say give me my deposit and ill wait for the v spec or something else. Im serious. Im not about to buy an 80k car unless it gives me what it promised since the begining. Ill throw down another 50k at a used lambo or new v spec.
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ALSO the difference bt 4.1 sec 0-60 and 3.2 or 3.5 is huge!!!! and so is the difference bt 11.6 and 12.6 in the 1/4 mile. 1 second is an eternity.... Previous tests could have had 4 adult passengers and had better times.
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Thank you. because to tell you the truth if september rolls around and more and more results come out with substandard (in my opinion) times. Im gonna say give me my deposit and ill wait for the v spec or something else. Im serious. Im not about to buy an 80k car unless it gives me what it promised since the begining. Ill throw down another 50k at a used lambo or new v spec.


Results...

Ferrari 430 Scuderia

Lap time 1.15,375min
0-100km/h: 3.76s
0-200km/h:11.64s
1458kg with driver


Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4

Lap time 1.15,714min
0-100km/h: 3.65s
0-200km/h:11.09s
1590kg with driver


Porsche 997 GT2

Lap time 1.15,528s
0-100km/h: 3.87s
0-200km/h:12.04s
1550kg with driver

Nissan GT-R

Lap time 1.17,600s
0-100km/h: 3.87s
0-200km/h:13.15s
1800kg with driver


From supercars.net. This is 0-62.14 in 3.87s. I did come in last with it's lap time (don't remember the track), but we have to remember - this car drives differently than other cars around a track (late braking into corners with early acceleration out). Some who test it won't get the same #'s out of it, trying to drive it like the other cars. Also, this car is 80G's. To even be included in this is an ultimate compliment! We could all pay NASA millions, strap rockets to the side of our cars, and we would defininitely have the fastest vehicle on the road. Doesn't sour me at all on the car.

Ferrari F430 Scuderia 220K
Lambo LP560-4 198K
Porsche GT2 191.7K
Nissan GT-R, hehehe.

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Old 06-27-2008, 11:39 PM   #12
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this was taken 2 days ago as proof of great 1/4 times out of a US spec car

http://www.mygtr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=250
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Old 07-01-2008, 09:15 AM   #13
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this was taken 2 days ago as proof of great 1/4 times out of a US spec car

http://www.mygtr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=250
Now that looked like a LC launch Is this car stock?
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Old 07-01-2008, 01:23 PM   #14
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The GT-R splits the previous EDR (showed up in 2004 on Z cars) into two separate sections; the "crash" EDR (30 second data snapshot) and the VSDR. It's basically the same thing as previous, just repackaged and tweaked a little. The MFD allows you to replay selected VSDR data. As soon as we can get our hands on a GT-R service manual and compare it to the service manuals of other recent Nissan models, we'll know more about it. Quite a bit of GT-R technology is borrowed in whole or in part from systems on other models so there's a much larger knowledge database out there for Nissan systems we see on the GT-R.

I've been checking the Nissan publications site for the manuals to show up for the GT-R, but nothing yet. They've got to be coming out soon though since planned first distribution is a week (or maybe more) away. You can check TSBs on the same site by the way. Knowledge is power -- I've found most Nissan service folks aren't as familiar with recent TSBs as they should be.
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I really hope y'all don't think that Nissan engineers were clueless when they built the GT-R, and that LC is just a strange quirk or fluke in the system. To me that would be a scary thought -- Nissan engineers just got lucky with the GT-R. Anyway, someone had to program the whole thing into the ECM. So LC is definitely not a "blind squirrel finds acorn" item. Whether they publicly admit it or not, they know it exists because they designed it.

Oh, I know, it's the setting you use to get unstuck from mud when off-roading the GT-R -- two Rs, Off, Manual, brake on, floor it and let go off the brake. Voila! Look ma, unstuck from the mud! We'll keep it a secret from the Nissan service departments -- why did you turn the VDC off? I had to get it unstuck from the mud ya know... LOL...
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holly shit. C/d is claiming nissan put the v spec motor in the preproduction GTR cars. pg 21
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i may have misunderstood the c/d editors comment about "this guy may have been hit by the same storm as us" i thought this meant c/d was fooled by nissan when it tested the preproducion gtrs.
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holly shit. C/d is claiming nissan put the v spec motor in the preproduction GTR cars. pg 21

No, Car & Driver didn't say that...a reader wrote them and said it...
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Default Brings to mind the words of William Shakespeare

"Much ado about nothing."
I refuse to believe for one second that the GTR isn't everything Nissan claims it is. There's just too much riding on their own claims being accurate, namely their reputation and respect. There is no way in hell they they'd deceive the public by using tweaked preproduction cars.
My final thoughts on this on this whole smoke and mirrors theory? FOGETTABOUTIT!
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Again consistence depends on other variables. Your result might be different from others. It would probably be best to test the car yourself instead of having panic attack on the magazine results. If you don't like the result you get after you receive your GT-R, sell it. But the GT-R is not supposed to be a straight line car, it belongs to the track. Otherwise, Nissan would have build it with V8 NA, and doesn't care about running Nurbergring at all.
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I really don't think there is anything to worry about. Nissan would be committing suicide by putting out "pre-production" cars that give widely claimed numbers, and then sell customers, ESPECIALLY us American customers, a "detuned" version. Contrary to what we all might think, these guys are not "professional" drivers, they are journalists. If they were, I'm sure they could make a better living doing other things. I will be the 1st to admit that I probably won't be able to duplicate the 3.5 second 0-60. Hell, I've seen Z06 times from 3.5-4 seconds, and it depends on the publication. Used to drive a CTS-v, and that 4.6sec 0-60 time GM claimed was almost duplicated by MT, at 4.7sec. They were afraid they were going to grenade the rear diff, which I managed to do myself. For me, it will be hard to put stake in a lay person telling me they went to the track and only ran a 12.1 quarter mile. Again, not a professional driver. Don't get me wrong. I know no one wants to pull up next to a Z06 or a 911 turbo at a stoplight and get embarrassed, but hey, up here with cars of this magnitude, its a drivers race. Just my $.02.

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Not a fairy tale...LC data will be recorded, stored, and will be documented as abuse in a warranty claim.
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thanks for the input mabcrna, and your right. I just got finished reading the other form. It has a ten page thread on this subjest and it is mostly just one person flaming the other. im hoping that the magazines just didnt use launch control or they had the speed limiter set at 111mph. I dont know why this would be the case these last two times. when the car mags were bragging previously that they launched the car 15 times in a row and allways produced extreamly similar times. Well wait and see. no im not buying the car for 0-60 times and 1/4 mile drags. but acceleration is an important thing to everyone that looks into buying a supercar. still the descrepancy is big bt the most recent tests and the previous tests.
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where does it state that in the warrenty. that you cannot use the lc. do you have a copy of that??? im not saying that your wrong. id just like to see it. I have a copy of the owners manual it talks about how to put the car into r mode ect.
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