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celsius 09-15-2008 09:12 PM

Don't lauch your GTR too much!
 
http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/2...r-gutless.html

s1gins 09-15-2008 09:49 PM

Their problems have nothing to do with launches. Their fuel and evap system are having problems and the dealership took everything apart...

celsius 09-15-2008 11:13 PM

Yeah, I just read that too! opps:o

mindlessoath 09-16-2008 08:56 AM

but its still true. dont do your launch control to much. not only are dealers saying it, but they know that if you do it to many times something bad will happen as they have seen with the press cars.

a dealer has already mentioned the cars have all failed around the same amount of launches so they are telling customers to limit them launches. some say 30, some say 100, no one really knows the max. one guy said the press cars were failing at 200 launches. I havent the slightest idea of the truth, but since i have heard it from many sources there is a grain of truth in this, i just dont know how bad the situation really is yet.

GTRForLife 09-16-2008 05:27 PM

Well it makes sense if you think about it. The GTR launches are pretty violent. You're suddenly hooking the wheels up from 0 to 480hp. After a few dozen hard launches like that, there will definitely be wear and tear.

GT-RAWR 09-21-2008 02:08 AM

fail as in clutch
or fail as in whole car

godzilla2009 09-21-2008 01:07 PM

27 lc and counting!!!!!! lol
7.63s 95mph in the 1/8
434.8hp 436lb/t at all 4 wheels bone stock.
if you guys did buy this car to drive it like my gradma......shame of you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!jejejejejejeje:D

celsius 09-21-2008 08:50 PM

great!

godzilla2009 09-21-2008 09:02 PM

dyno video......430hp 431 lb/t with pump gas 91oct......later tried w/ 109oct and did 434.8hp 436lb/t............not a big difference in power but much more cleaner thru out.
check the video..........1/8 video coming next week...:eek:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=802I6YoH7dk

mindlessoath 09-22-2008 12:15 PM

godzilla2009 thanks for testing the theory. your a brave sole with loads of money right?


in any case im sure if you use launch control and treat the tranny nice after and dont do repeated launches you will probably be fine... but even then to many will take its toll no matter how well you treat it.

some say 200 launches was when they were breaking - the majority anyways, some were at 100 launches. but those with repeated launches were in trouble much eariler. no official reports, this is word of mouth from dealers that went in for training and found out that way.

some dealers are telling customers only use launch control 30 times, some say more than that.

launch control is violant and uses the whole system to launch the car... its not pritty when it breaks.

Bacon 09-26-2008 11:28 AM

The 2 we have seen fail happened @ 35 and at 42 Launches. But there are plenty of people who have gone higher without any effects. The problem is the clutches are stronger than the tranny gears have strength. I’ve been fortunate to speak with some of the Nissan engineers who are on the taskforce for GTR issues (guys from Japan) and they said 3 times MAX. Either way it’s all on the data recorder so I’m sure it will eventually come out what the nominal threshold is for the trans.

godzilla2009 10-01-2008 11:35 PM

blown tranny at 35 lc
 
it is a fact.....after 35 lc the tranny will fail........at the drag track..........i do not think it will do it in the street.
i'll take it to the dealer tomorrow and see what their answer will be......will keep u guys updated...................................:mad:

celsius 10-02-2008 01:50 AM

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mindlessoath 10-02-2008 10:59 AM

spam... he is spamming the board good. and the report thread doesnt work.

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Spam deleted. Also Ian, the report post works just fine. I had two people use it earlier for that same spammer, and just tested it myself. Please PM me if you are still having issues and I'll take care of you.

godzilla2009 10-02-2008 05:48 PM

clutches seem to be ok because 2 and 4 are working but not 1 3 5 6 R ( big time noise coming from the rear )
so i do believe that the clutches are way stronger than the tranny itself.
nissan from japan is dialing in tomorrow to decide what to do with this failure.:(

mindlessoath 10-03-2008 09:24 AM

Thanks Jeremy.

The clutches dont neccessarly mean they are stronger. There is alot working at the same time. Someone has noticed this may be caused by WHEEL HOP.

REDUCING wheel hop will reduce this problem, but it will probably still ultimatly happen.

also if you dont want to use launch control, either choose not to use it, or change to a full aftermarket suspension. This will remove the in dash settings for the suspension and not enable you to use launch control anymore. (unless you do a coil over conversion kit, like from cobb and amuse, these will retain the stock setup with aftermarket adjustable coilover springs).

godzilla2009 10-03-2008 02:46 PM

nothing wrong found with the gtr tranny
 
the tech from ny nissan found out that it was a loose connector in the rear that make the gears not to work.............................................. .:):):):)

the monster is alive and will hit the track today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i'am so happy that nothing was wrong.....:D:D:D

gtrfanboy 10-03-2008 03:57 PM

Good information!

OdyOwnage 10-03-2008 04:00 PM

Wow...

celsius 10-03-2008 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by godzilla2009 (Post 9678)
the tech from ny nissan found out that it was a loose connector in the rear that make the gears not to work.............................................. .:):):):)

the monster is alive and will hit the track today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i'am so happy that nothing was wrong.....:D:D:D


Bro, you do not realize how relieved I am! I was totally worried for when mine arrived

scarface 10-07-2008 06:08 AM

I just spoke to my nissa dealer in Barcelona, Spain in Europe. He personally rang Nissan Europe and they stated,
"There is no limit to launch control" and there is "NO void of WARRANTY if we use launch control"
They also have stated that launch control has been used continually on their test GTR at the Nurgburgring and no problems were reported.

Bacon 10-07-2008 11:13 AM

Well I just personally called and spoke to some of the GTR team leaders/ Quality assurance. And was told “tell everyone to read their owners manual, and follow the guide lines in the owners manual and warranty booklet. As it states in the owner’s manual do not turn off the VDC, driving with the VDC off can/will negate your warranty”

I also got a non political answer but I hope many of you can understand mine and his positions respective to the company. But it is a big issue they are working on


Long and short use it at your own risk, and after it breaks let us know if Nissan backed you up on your $20,000 warranty claim for driving the car in an unspecified manner.

And after they deny your claim let me know the lawyer with the balls big enough to try to overcome the special customer disclosure form you signed, and the owners manual and warranty booklet that you signed off you were advised of, and that you’re using a feature you saw on YouTube/ TV.

Thats Nissan USA though

scarface 10-07-2008 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bacon (Post 9797)
Well I just personally called and spoke to some of the GTR team leaders/ Quality assurance. And was told “tell everyone to read their owners manual, and follow the guide lines in the owners manual and warranty booklet. As it states in the owner’s manual do not turn off the VDC, driving with the VDC off can/will negate your warranty”

I also got a non political answer but I hope many of you can understand mine and his positions respective to the company. But it is a big issue they are working on


Long and short use it at your own risk, and after it breaks let us know if Nissan backed you up on your $20,000 warranty claim for driving the car in an unspecified manner.

And after they deny your claim let me know the lawyer with the balls big enough to try to overcome the special customer disclosure form you signed, and the owners manual and warranty booklet that you signed off you were advised of, and that you’re using a feature you saw on YouTube/ TV.

Thats Nissan USA though

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So you´re telling me that driving a "supercar" fast, and turning off a feature that was placed there to allow you to turn it off in the fist place, is driving in an unspecified manner?

Maybe as you say, thats what you get in the U.S and in Europe things might be different....

Bacon 10-07-2008 12:02 PM

No,
Drive it as hard as you can push the car to the limits of your driving. But don’t expect Nissan to pay for you to abuse it thats all im saying

godzilla2009 10-07-2008 10:40 PM

hey bacon....are you a nissan share holder??? or you just playing nice guy in this forum because you know that the nissan task force engineers are checking this tread daily to get info on what is going on with the lc crisis...
you are something else lololololol:D:):rolleyes::eek::p:(;):mad::cool:

Bacon 10-08-2008 10:54 AM

LOL, I wish I was that important to have some rank with Nissan.
Hello taskforce members :) There’s a lot of people here in the “shadows”


There is always miss information out here in the land of internet, some of it is helpful, and some of it can mislead you into doing irreversible damage. The whole dealer launch process had so many unanswered questions. So much misinformation. Hell there’s more info on here about the 2010’s than has been sent to dealers.

We all have seen the LC in action, every review talks about it. I would hate to see everyone go out and launch after launch then if/when it breaks be stuck with a 20k bill.
And then badmouth the car/ Nissan b/c they think everything should be covered.

As you can see in the signature I have a Drag FD RX-7. And I have snapped countless Axles, Inner CV joints, transmission tail shafts. Some of the parts are even upgraded 300m material. Everything breaks when you push it to the limit. Sure now that I have tweaked/reengineered the car for drag I break a lot less, since the FD like the GTR wasn’t designed to be a drag racer.

There is NO UNBREAKABLE TRANSMISION, just incase everyone forgot

godzilla2009 10-14-2008 06:15 PM

****gtr hotline and tranny warranty denial******
 
my tranny warranty was denied today and i was given the gtr hotline number to find out why.
the dealer only knows that it was because i did abused the car.....!%$#$#^& them
the first think that the guy at the hot line ask me was......and i am quoting here :" how many times did you use the lc??? and i was like....what is that??? he got all nervious and try to get to another topic, but i did insist asking him that if that was something that the car was able to do and he said that :" yes, that is something you do by clicking in the dashboard and it will give you more boost and the car is going to run faster"......i was surprise by this because i remember nissan not saying that this was something the acr was able to do , and now this gtr hotline rep is telling me this( i do have the name of the tech).
what do you guys think about this.???? are they trying to do something or they are trying to get you to admit to it??????
oh.......the dealer does not have any info about anything. the manager told me that they (nissan) is keeping everything in the dark. last week they were 3 JAPANESSE ENGINEERS CHECKING THE CAR AT THE DEALER AND THE DEALER TECH WAS NOT PERMITED TO BE CLOSE TO THE CAR WHILE THEY WERE CHECKING THE CAR.............this is very strange dont you guys think??????

mindlessoath 10-14-2008 10:05 PM

in any case, speedforsale is looking for transmissions, send them there way.
http://cba-r35.blogspot.com/2008/09/...smissions.html
The thread is on this forum somewhere, i didnt link it i dont think :(

celsius 10-15-2008 06:40 AM

I think Nissan needs to warrant the transmission 100%! You can't get the 3.5 0-60 time without it! Also, BMW and other manufactures have LC equiped vehicles and their transmissions are covered 100%! If Nissan doesn't want a "black eye", then they'd better warrant the transmission after they break and work on a stronger one so that a "recall" can be made.

IMHO, it's like "dumping" the clutch on an OEM z06! If the rear end breaks, it would be fixed under warranty, because it's an OEM equiped car with 100k mile powertrain warranty!
If the GTR is equiped with LC, the transmission should be able to handle 150+ launches before any kind of failure ATLEAST!!! It also should be covered by the "low" 60k mile powertrain warranty.

godzilla2009 10-15-2008 08:36 AM

with you 100% . let's hop for the best. in the mean time i will be putting my tranny apart to get it repair somehow. :D

Bacon 10-15-2008 11:25 AM

If ANY manufacture can deem it abuse via a data recorder or however they can deem it they can deny a warranty claim/ void the warranty on that part that time. this includes BMW, Ferrari, MB, Lotus, Chevy, Ford. (seen plenty of things on mustangs/lightnings deney'd)

Its all in your warranty supplement booklet.

I know everyone doesn’t want to hear it but its true.

mindlessoath 10-15-2008 11:36 AM

Thats the problem... you can use launch control at your own risk. many people have. BUT the problem is people are abusing that and doing it to many times in such a small time frame. that is damaging to any transmission and not warranteed.

its at your own risk.

The only problem with this transmission is the driver. the abuse they make to it.

GT-ROSS 10-16-2008 12:31 PM

Do you have to turn all three to r-mode to use the Launch Mode?

Greg S. 10-16-2008 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT-ROSS (Post 10028)
Do you have to turn all three to r-mode to use the Launch Mode?

VDC to "off."

If you dare.

GT-ROSS 10-16-2008 03:46 PM

I need a lesson on how to use the different modes or how not to use them it sounds like!

Greg S. 10-16-2008 03:57 PM

Dealer told me to use the COMFORT setting a lot during the first 1000 miles to properly break in the suspension.

I also set the rev limiter to 3000 rpms (affective in A mode) during break in.

If my car breaks, my Black Box will read as benignly as Mother Teresa's diary.

Scott McGrath 10-17-2008 12:04 PM

This car was designed around two aspects. 1. an uncanny ability to eat up a twisty track faster than most any other car out there, and 2. to be able to be driven any where, any time, by anyone. If you wanted a car that goes fast in a straight line maybe you should have rehabbed an old SS396 chevelle or bought yourself a Suzuki Hayabusa stretched it and put a turbo on it. The one thing that I am not hearing is how impressed everyone is about how this trans does in the area that it was designed around...quick shifting on a road course. I mean guys, this thing is a work of art...it's basically an F1 racer with power windows and a bose stereo. The bottom line is...stop beating your cars and drive them the way they were intended to be driven...on a road course.

celsius 10-17-2008 12:50 PM

I have to agree with Scott on that point too. I absolutely love the car (handling, shift program, looks, etc.).


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